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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: licensing Reply with quote

Windows licensing is down right confusing, is there anyone that can describe in great detail of how they work? I know for example that perserver allows only 5 users to be connected to a server, but this is what confuses me, at work it says that but there are 45 users connected?

Can anyone describe this better and clear this up for me?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you using terminal services or Citrix by chance?

If not, at least you got a response!! Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not TS, for a file server, I guess there are certain logins a server can have, I set it to per server 5 but 30 people still login
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, those are just basic "free-b" licenses from M$. All those do is allow remote administration/access to the server, which would actually be logging into the machine from another and getting a desktop bla bla bla.. Your other people are probably just pulling email or files from it.. you can still check the licences....Start | Programs | Licensing.. don't panic if your 200 some over the limit provided..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, what are client CAL licenses, is that the samething as a remote connection?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These I believe are for clients in a domain.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Client Access License...pretty much means money for M$ for each device/or user in 2k3 that will remotely access a resource in your domain. Like terminal server users...

I myself have been trying to fully understand MS licensing for about oh........6 years or so.. it's kind of like super-subnetting, just confuses the hell out of me the more I try and understand it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

will there be any hope? Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah.. someday they'll quit patching IIS vulnerbilities and focus on what a pain in the arse it is to manage licenses. I can't wait till they have a tool that you just dump licenses into, no connecting to the internet, no phone calls, just a product key and an X number of licenses. Then, that one licenses will work for anykind of user activity they might have to do. Connecting to Exchange, SQL, Windows, Term Servs, on and on...

ah...it'll be a beautiful day in the IT Admin world when that happens. but wait, that means M$ would loose money and control over something.. so much for that idea Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it ain't really that hard, you need a server licence for each server product and a CAL for each client connection to that product. So since every user will probably be using some kind of windows server services (file + print most likely) you will need a windows server CAL for every user.

in order to make it more flexible for different businesses, most of the products allow you to count connections from the perspective of the server (eg a SQL server used only by 5 people ever would only need 5 CALS) or from the perspective of the user (this user uses SQL on at least one server so they need a SQL CAL). In other words, if you assign CALs to users, they can use multiple servers of the same product, so you don't need a licence for every user for every server they use (this would be huge!)

If you have servers which are used by distinct groups of users and they don't overlap much, per server can work. For most organisations though, per user is much easier to deal with and stay legal. If a user has a windows licence, an Exchange licence and a SQL licence they can use all of these products. SQL has other options as well if you have few servers and many users (per processor licensing).

Ignore the licence manager tool. It is a real pain to keep up to date, and will almost certainly tell you lies that you are short on licences when you are not. Get a good electronic- or paper-based, simple, auditable process for buying, storing and recording licences and you will sleep much better.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you guys are talking about Terminal services licensing then this link is the best ive ever found.

http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=154
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdamV hit the nail on the head; you need CAL's for users to access servers and you need CAL's for different types of servers (SQL, Exchange, etc), and this really can get confusing. I think I'm a little spoild, our organization has a corporate license agreement and they keep us all covered for office, server CALs etc. We just make sure we get an OEM OS license when we purchase a new desktop. Even small organizations can really help simplify things by finding a good VAR and getting set up with an Open License agreement. For a little more detail see:

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/openvalue.mspx

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree with the last post, using Open licensing is great for various reasons (if you use MS):

1) you save money. not lots but some
2) it's easy to start on - you buy enough products in one go (usually a server and a few CALs or several copies of Office would be enough to get on the first band)
3) the BEST feature is that MS have a record of everything purchased. You can check this online, print copies etc. This is MUCH better than relying on a filing cabinet or cardboard box of bits of paper. Recently during a merger we asked MS for records of everything the other company had bought (actually they had to send the letter of course but it was easy to arrange) and it came back as a simple report and best of all included stuff they had forgotten about which saved us buying licences we didn't need.

4) Select is even better if you are big enough, and especially if you are doing a big rollout / upgrade programme.

Find a GOOD reseller who knows what they are talking about. A firm with a dedicated licencing and/or MS specialist is a great help. Buying from a dodgy reseller giving bad advice in good faith is still no defence - if caught you may get away without paying fines, but you will still have to buy lots of licences you thought you already had (the most common case of this is selling OEM licences without accompanying hardware - you will NOT be legal).

It's hard to write general answers on this subject, but anyone with specific queries either post or PM me (posting better because everyone can benefit). NB: I do not work for MS or a reseller. I used to work for a LAR and went on the MS licencing sales course. Lots has changed with the licence programmes (mainly with Select), although the basics of what each licence gives you are generally still OK. E&OE etc.

Just a sidenote on TS CALs - 2000 and 2003 work differently. Also some desktop OS have TS licences already (basically 2kPro and XP licences sold before the release of 2k3 server). Again, not a short topic but I can answer specific questions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdamV wrote:
Just a sidenote on TS CALs - 2000 and 2003 work differently.


The only difference with 2k3 is they introduced Per User CAL's rather than the old Per Device. Thing is with the 2k3 Per User CAL, you're entire domain/clients have to be 2k3, Per User and 2k do not mix and simply do not work..

Like in our domain, I have a mixture of 2k and 2k3 Per Device CAL's and they both distribute licenses to the same client setups.. Honestly, the only difference is the 0 and the 3! Razz

just thought i'd throw that in there..
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