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athena Guest
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2002 2:07 pm Post subject: ADSL vs Cable |
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Afternoon
I am in an area with both an ADSL enabled phone exchange and also the ability to have NTL cable (stockport)
Could anyone give me the pro's and con's of both to help me change my decision. I intend to use it mainly for the web in general(I am learning web programming, so will be using FTP etc a lot) but will also use it for online gaming.
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chris Forum Fanatic
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 16777201 Location: ~/security-forums
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2002 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I cant say anything about ADSL but re: cable
Im not far away, and stockport uses the same method, broadband through the set top box.
I had an install as was on the trial, but now you need cable to run from back of set top box to a network card in the the computer(or router/gateway)
Stability wise I cannot fault NTL, its generally up 24/7 and seeing how much we pay in work for a commercial 256k leased line it makes me wonder sometimes, what a good service im getting for £25 a month.
£25 for 512k downstream 128 upstream
The benefit of ADSL is that you get 256 upstream but a lot of the providers seem to be USB which isnt as good for networking and the stability of ADSL was questionable on launch.
Not sure how good it is now, hopefully someone can post about experience of any of the UK ADSL providers.
I cannot fault NTL at the moment though, I would definately recommend it and if I had cable removed, I probably wouldnt even bother using the Internet via a modem again
p.s ive editted the thread to include a poll, hopefully this might give some sort of indication, maybe not
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Raven Guest
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2002 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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what about satellites connectivity
Cable and adsl no good if you live in the middle of nowhere and BT arent going to roll out to you and a chance that ntl may show their butts you have better chance of streaking in Buckingham Palace, roll out the satellites and get some of us forest dwellers a chance at super speed or not so super speed.
is that better for your eyes shaolin, hads see today I am nice and I changed it tomorrow well cyan is nice and bright too then again you shouldnt give me colours to play with that hurts those with bad eyes, womans perogative to change mind and use bright colours so ner ner ner men pah! invest in some radical shades:wink:
in reply to the cost some arent so high priced especially when compared with some adsl set ups
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ShaolinTiger Forum Fanatic
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 16777215 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2002 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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What about the preview button, editing and using a font that doesn't leave permanent burn marks on my retinas
Satellite? Fine yeh if you want to pay an £800 installation charge..
No thanks, if I was a country dweller I would stick with unlimited dual ISDN.
128k is fine enough for most purposes.
And yes some satellite providers are blisteringly fast...just VERY expensive, the monthly charges are quite low though.
Oops I almost forgot the original question there..
Anyway I vote NTL, cable is a lot more stable than ADSL.
Whatever provider you get ADSL from you are still basically relying on BT's network and their provisions/repairs.
Not a good idea in my book.
ADSL is getting better, but if I had the choice at present I would go for 1MB NTL cable
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hads Trusted SF Member
Joined: 23 May 2002 Posts: 3 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2002 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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heh, yeah I had to highlight that font so I could actually read it.
I vote cable
I'm over the other side of the world but I have a similar argument to ShaolinTiger -- If you go for ADSL over here you are most-always relying on Telstras backbone which is unbelievebly unreliable.
Any clients that had ADSL I have shifted to another backbone which is more stable.
I've got uncapped cable at home (from telstra) and its really reliable and nice and speedy 3GB limit tho
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b4rtm4n Trusted SF Member
Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 16777206 Location: Bi Mon Sci Fi Con
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2002 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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BTs home adsl service is fine if you ditch the alcatel "frog" modem.
I changed to a d-link dsl100 pci card and have had near perfect service since.
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chris Forum Fanatic
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flw Forum Fanatic
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2002 2:45 am Post subject: |
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ADSL is when you need your own line and a consistant bandwith to the net. ADSL works well for small or medium businesses but is to too slow for large businesses and too costly for homes.
Cable is when you need cost effective net access that you are willing to not have consistant bandwidth. Cable works well for consumers due to cost but not medium to large companies due to bandwidth.
fastlanwan
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ShaolinTiger Forum Fanatic
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2002 6:00 am Post subject: |
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fastlanwan wrote: |
ADSL is when you need your own line and a consistant bandwith to the net. ADSL works well for small or medium businesses but is to too slow for large businesses and too costly for homes.
Cable is when you need cost effective net access that you are willing to not have consistant bandwidth. Cable works well for consumers due to cost but not medium to large companies due to bandwidth.
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Sorry but I have to *totally* disagree with everything you've said.
From my real world experience what you've said is basically back to front.
ADSL is the worst option for business as it's sold through a 3rd party and if BT's lines goes down the company justs says its BT nothing we can do.
ADSL goes up to 8MB, how is that not enough for a business?
512k is fine for most businesses, the 2MB ADSL line plenty for medium/large businesses.
ADSL too expensive for home? How did you work that out? Pipex and Plus.net do ADSL for around £23 a month.
Cheaper than even cable.
Cable generally has a better contention ratio so the bandwidth allocation is more stable than ADSL.
I've had cable in numerous places and believe me I max the bandwidth constantly. I've never had a problem with contention and always get max bandwidth.
For home use Cable gets betters contention and a more stable service (apart from the NTL and BY webcache which are shit) but if you use a different webcache they are far better than ADSL.
Leased line is best for business, cable best for home.
ADSL may improve, but at present cable is the best choice.
Shaolin
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flw Forum Fanatic
Joined: 27 May 2002 Posts: 16777215 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2002 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you noticed, but I said ADSL is good for small and medium size business and not large which woud requrie a T-1 or T-3 land lines.
Depending on where you live in the U.S, ADSL is more expensieve than cable per month and for installation if available at all.
It depends on where you live and your needs.
So looking at my original post and your follow on post, I thank we can agree :> it depends.
fastlanwan
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Dose Just Arrived
Joined: 23 May 2002 Posts: 0
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:26 pm Post subject: Cable vs ADSL |
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Just a note. If you have a cable modem and are looking for more speed. Over here in the US they govern down the speed to 3m down and 270k up. However, You realy don't even get that. There is a sight www.speedguide.net that have a tcp/ip prog that when you run this it optomizes your setting in the win reg. I have tried this with my cable modem and whent from 1210kbs down to 3215 kbs down. If this is realy working on my machine I don't know. I am not a guru like some of you in this forum. But I have learned alot from reading your replys. If someone could try it and test this prog. Please let me know if this realy works. Thxs Dose
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chris Forum Fanatic
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 16777201 Location: ~/security-forums
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Ive seen a few of these, more seem to be for dialup tweeking MTU settings and similar.
I found since going to windows 2000 over 98/ME my dialup connections were more stable / better connections even with beta drivers for a pretty crap modem.
Little bit dubious about these for broadband connections, as I seem to be getting the theoretical max at the moment anyway.
-What OS are you using?
-Ethernet or USB
Whats the full URL to the program
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Dose Just Arrived
Joined: 23 May 2002 Posts: 0
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I have xp pro and are using ethernet connection I have a GI surfboard modem SB3100. Like I stated earlyer I think that sight helped me out but Not sure. The worse thing that happens I have to format again. He he he...
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big tom Forum Fanatic
Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 16777215 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:52 pm Post subject: phine lones |
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adsl can slow down a lot when you on the phone aswell, where as cable dunt
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