Security forums new look

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Author: dataLocation: India PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Security forums new look
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hi,

I like the new look but can we have that home page as well, where I could see the latest posts and announcements(The previous security-forums home page).

Thanks.

Author: oebLocation: That Island of drunks over there PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject:
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No offence guys, but the new look really sucks.

The page is too busy, and being the fact that phpBB tends to generate busy pages anyway ... well you get the idea.

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject:
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We have to rebuild the 'Home page' since it was a bit of a mess after several years of altering... not sure how long it will take to finish.

We will eventually go to a custom designed forum package which will integrate SFDC better into WindowSecurity.com -- until then, please be patient and continue to enjoy the same content we've had for the past several years.

(Please continue with your constructive criticism, we are indeed taking notes).

Tom

Author: StormhawkLocation: Warwickshire, England, UK PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject:
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The biggest problem is that the same content now occupies less of the browser window, with that ugly WindowSecurity bar down the left. Makes posts quite a bit more difficult to read.

Author: RFmax PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject:
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I have noticed that because of the links on the left that I have to scroll in the horizontal direction all the time. I have the screen on my notebook adjusted as much as possible. I was wondering if others have this happening to them as well. If others are having this issue, could the links possibly be located on the right, because of the left bias?

Edit: Oops, I missed StormHawk's post. I guess we are in agreement.

Author: static_-x-_Location: south wales PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject:
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Please change it back! With no recent posts there will be a big decrease in the amount of visitors and therefore posts. There are so many drawbacks to this change, why change in the first place? (if it is to get people to use the facilities on windowsecurity.com website i dont think its going to work)

Author: Mongrel PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject:
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I'll go with StormHawk to an extent - not sure if (s)he is in my
boat - that of vision impairment - but as such there*is* less space in
which we can read content. I'm half blind already. Smile

Author: BogLocation: Toronto, Ontario Canada PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject:
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I too miss the previous home page that listed new posts.

The new look doesn't work well when I browse from my blackberry.

Author: capiLocation: Portugal PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject:
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The site is way too painfully slow with the new layout. I've had to blacklist banman.isoftmarketing.com and am still getting 20/30 second load times for even the simplest page - most of which spent waiting for windowsecurity.com.

I also concur that the banner on the left is a big space hog, drastically reducing visibility for the content that matters. It being repeated on every single page doesn't help matters either, in my opinion.

The main page with the recent posts was also a big thing for the site's attractiveness, in my opinion. Just being tossed into the forum index takes away from the experience. You loose the announcements, the easily recognizable count of posts since your last visit, and the recent threads list, which helps make the site more dynamic.

In short, my opinion is the current layout seems too cluttered, the huge banner on the left is not relevant enough to be on every single page, and the site is incredibly slow.

Author: apperraultLocation: Emeryville, CA PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject:
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I totally agree with Capi. This site is now PAINFULLY slow. it took over 30 seconds to bring up this reply message box. I love this site, and have received countless amounts of usefull information from this group. Please bring back much of what we loved. I understand the integration with Windows Security (another really good site) but do the banners and other stuff have to be on every page.

just my $0.02 worth

app

Author: SidLocation: Kansas PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject:
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As everybody else has said...this site loads slow on HIGH speed internet, i cant imagine what its going to be like when i go home to a dial up connection

Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject:
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Since this seems the appropiate place for two cent coins...

I just want to agree with what has already been said, the large pane on the left makes the main content harder to read, and I'm using large monitors. I also don't like the ever changing/flashing advertisement on top but that is minute compared to the other issue.

On a brighter note, I like the new color scheme. Rolling Eyes

Author: EOS PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject:
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PLEASE bring back the main homepage with the recent posts. I wouldn't be opposed to rolling it back to the way it originally was either (without the windowsecurity stuff).

Author: GroovicusLocation: Centerville, South Dakota PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject:
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That's weird that everybody else is suffering from slow downloads.. It loads just as quickly as it always did for me. I wonder what the deal is there?

Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject:
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I just cleared my cache and loaded the SFDC home page, it took less than two seconds for me. I'm on cable.

Author: dustrho PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject:
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It is slow, the Windows Security menu on the left is annoying to look at, and I've never been a fan of embedding forum software into a functional web page. I've always been a fan of having the forum software on its own page with little to no advertising. I liked the previous version MUCH better.

CHANGE IT BACK!!!

However, I do like the color scheme on this.

Author: PhiBerLocation: Your MBR PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject:
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First off, PCWriter and the others working on the design of this site: Keep up the hard work. We know that it takes time, dedication, and talent to create a good looking site.

On that note, here are my suggestions (some have already been mentioned):
The original security-forums.com was very clean and well organized (minimum "noise"). The new design with the WindowSecurity pane reminds me of cluttered sites such as experts-exchange & techrepublic. There is just too much "stuff". For example, instead of an "Articles & Tutorials" link, all of the sections within the Articles & Tutorials category are expanded (Authentication, Firewalls & VPNs, IDS, etc.).

The broader the sections on the homepage, the cleaner the look. Instead of trying to cover every single security topic on the front page, (ISA, Exchange, Articles, Tutorials, Tests, Software, White Papers, Newsletter, TechGenix Sites, Monthly newsletter, Books, etc. etc. etc) I would think that people enjoy less cluttered looks - one of the reasons google has become so popular.

Author: Guest PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject:
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I have no problem with speed, but I simply run out of space with my hardware. I have 1024x768 and I don't keep my browser from <--> , because I have other windows open I need to access atleast with some ease.

EDIT: ARGH! To even read my own post I had to do horizontal movements.. I do not like this myself, I rarely post, but read, and each page has to be adjusted.

EDIT2: I honestly think it is a bad idea to combine these. SFDC should be found _under_ the main site, but without clutter as it has always been, ie "link to forums" or whatever.

Author: Secure Lockdown PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject:
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change is a change.

the only thing I can mention is, i am seeing all these new interesting links to the left that I can't keep focused on the forum. i keep wanting to clicking on the links. articles, tutorial, e.t.c. and see where they go.


it's cool. i will get used to it.

Author: BogLocation: Toronto, Ontario Canada PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject:
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I've found a workaround.

When in the forums, click "view posts since last logon", http://www.security-forums.com/search.php?search_id=newposts

This will display the latest posts that people have been used to.

Author: CassLocation: Scotland PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject:
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Much like others i see performance issues, Under Solaris is practically unusable, much worse than the snowflake them of xmas time, i put it down to all those flash banners, under windows performace is better, both using firefox ...

Also i agree with others again, hate that bar down the left hand side, i dislike the fact we have no portal page, this is a MUST have to see all the latest posts, dont like having to read each diff section to see whats going on ...

Also i dunno what it is about the transition to windowssecurity.com, im not sure that sits well with me either, i prefered the more generic name of old, the new one under the parent company smacks of just windows, this is probably just bias on my part though ...

All in all i hope something can be done with the overall layout, i hope the portal returns and i hope the performace can increase for the non windows users, i doubt the last comment though as something tells me the flashy banners are here to stay !!

Oh and one final hope, i hope we dont lose any members or stop any new members joining because of these changes because at the moment im struggling to see light here just now, i just dont like them at all, its all too, whats the word i look for ...... commercial i think ...


Cheers
Cass

EDIT :- Nice work BOG for the workaround, at least this helps until the portal appears again, cheers !

Author: SidLocation: Kansas PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject:
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OK, i got home and wow...any new members that are on dial up, probably wont stick around...the load time is just UNBEARABLE...and im running at 44.0 Kbps, the banners i saw at the top of the page on a high speed connection still hasn't loaded yet, and i cant help but ask....what about having a frame type system? where the outer edge didn't have to be reloaded each time..and just the inside changed......make since or am i just rambling...

All in all i dont really mind the change...i just think that ill have to get used to it....i understand that there have been unforseen consequences with the switch...im just trying to help....fix the performance problem, and ill be happy Smile

Author: [[Merlin]]Location: United Kingdom PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject:
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I find the colour scheme is not nice on my eyes; the page looks like it is being viewed though a dirty window.

Author: hushLocation: London PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject:
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I must start by mentioning how much I love this site (regardless of its incarnation).

The banner to the left has some excellent links in it; however the utility gained is totally negated by its dominance and verbosity.

When I attempt to read blocks of text that are semi-technical in nature I find myself distracted by the flashing advertisements. I resolved this issue with privoxy, only to encounter a subsequent problem- The load time for the page is now border line ludicrous. I don’t know what takes longer, the forum to load a page or my computer to boot up.
Tom_Bair wrote:
We have to rebuild the 'Home page' since it was a bit of a mess after several years of altering... not sure how long it will take to finish.

I hope by this you are referring to the page with recent posts. I presume you are.

Perhaps you could have waited until this was finished before launching the new site.

May I enquire into the motive behind the ‘new look’ site. Is it financial?

I know everyone involved works hard so if this seems a little critical I’m sorry but this is how I feel.

hush

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject:
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Thank you for your many comments! Keep 'em coming ... we are a bit busy now with smoothing out a few details, but will be discussing your comments and thoughts shortly. If possible, we'll try to fix that which we can.

Tom

Author: SidLocation: Kansas PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:12 am    Post subject:
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dont know if its just my xomputer...but all of a sudden at random times, everything{text} will scoot to the right but the background will stay, an example, look at the colum to the left of this post, and imagine all of the words in the column to the left directly to the right of the gray column...understand what im saying?

Author: Guest PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject:
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On another system that has better resolution I can see the pages pretty well. Only distracting thing on this system is the flashing banners. No speed issues either.

Author: digenLocation: India PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject:
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Apart from the banner containing links on the left I dont have any problems.The horizontal scrolling is indeed irritating for me as well as for many others here.Plus the flashy banners dont help to concentrate either Smile

The load time is pretty fast & I'm on 256kBps ADSL.The colour suits me too.

If only the SFDC Guru's could remove the clutter & make it as simple as possible then this change is nice (Y)

Author: AdamVLocation: Leeds, UK PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject:
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Too many comments for all of them, but the main thing I would like to see is the redirects being fixed (a long-standing problem under the old design) so that I can simply bookmark the "posts since last visit" (which I have used for ages and even posted about, but thanks to Bog for bringing it to other people's attention - I didn't realise it was a secret!)

Currently this realises I am not logged in and asks me to do so, but then redirects me to a generic search page.

Other pHpBB sites which I visit have this functionality and I find it really useful.

Author: StormhawkLocation: Warwickshire, England, UK PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject:
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Last night, this site took over 5 minutes to load. 99% of that time was waiting for windowsecurity.com and banman.isoftmarketing.com

I am on a 2Mbps DSL link, so I would hate to think how dial-up users are finding this new online experience!

Author: Cep PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject:
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It looks a lot like ISAserver.org which I didnt like but with SF it looks quite good doesnt it Smile

I have to admit the main reason I never liked ISAserver.orgs layout are the banners, and the busyness of it all. I am on a large screen at home and work so I do not suffer from the screen size problem that others do on smaller resolutions.

Author: PhiBerLocation: Your MBR PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject:
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Cep wrote:
the busyness of it all
Yes, I second that. The less clutter the better.

Author: B-ConLocation: int main() PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject:
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There's little to say that hasn't already been said, but I'd just like to say that

a) I like the new color scheme, as I've always been a fan of silver/grey.

b) I perfer viewing forums in full-width format (especially on monitors with lower resolution), so the side-bar might be better suited for the main site instead.

Author: JustinTLocation: Asheville, NC, US / Uberlândia, MG, Brazil PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Comments.
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It appears that most of the parent links on the left side-bar are also found in the top-most strand of links, give or take a few. I am indifferent to the color scheme, but I must say that the grayscale look is nice. I recently switched my desktop color scheme from a bluish tone to grayish, which I prefer now. I, too, would much rather see the forum in full-width "mode", even if there is a color-coordinated WindowSecurity.com branding at the topic. I think the integration is a great idea, so long as there isn't any unnecessary superfluity of noise that distracts from the content of the forum itself. It takes time and patience, so here are my two pfennigs, in the meanwhile.

Author: [[Merlin]]Location: United Kingdom PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject:
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I'm not sure that the "Articles & Tutorials" section renders correctly under safari browser the text seems to overflow its section. Any mac users experience the same problem?

Author: GiroLocation: England PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject:
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Its not so bad with Firefox on Ubuntu, just the content security and viruses links overflow a little.

I was wondering if this means the site is going to be windows based some time soon? And will it still be security-forums or is it going to be changed to windowsecurity?

Author: AdamVLocation: Leeds, UK PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject:
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Firefox on Windows and the same two overrun their border by a character or so. (currently at 1024, but I think it was the same as 1280 on my main monitor, I'll check later)

Author: GroovicusLocation: Centerville, South Dakota PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject:
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It will still be SFDC (or at least SF), but just with a diffferent wrapper.

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject:
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Giro wrote:
I was wondering if this means the site is going to be windows based some time soon? And will it still be security-forums or is it going to be changed to windowsecurity?


The content will remain the same, only the appearance is being improved in this phase.

Author: GiroLocation: England PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject:
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Tom_Bair wrote:
only the appearance is being improved in this phase.


So what about the next phase?

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject:
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Hopefully the next phase will be the migration to the new forum software ... however, I cannot confirm that. One step at a time is what we currently are about...

Author: SidLocation: Kansas PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject:
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the popup that occurs when you have a new PM is still on the old color scheme

Author: Cep PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject:
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Can I ask what forum software we are changing to? Is it Vbulletin, WBB or something similar? *hopes its not Ubb*

Author: StormhawkLocation: Warwickshire, England, UK PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject:
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You know, with my two 19" TFTs each at 1280x1024, I was forgetting what it was like to have to scroll horizontally.

Thankyou, SFDC, for refreshing my memory on this.

Over half the threads I view now require horizontal scrolling, especially in the programming forum, mostly due to the bar on the left taking up a large proportion of the screen "real-estate"!

Author: hushLocation: London PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject:
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Could I please enquire as to why you removed the script?

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject:
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Mainly due to it's being counter-productive to the interests and efforts of this website.

Author: phunkodelicLocation: On your hard drive. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject:
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OK first off this site rocks and kudos to those who do the work to keep er running.

Comments:

1. Agree with all posts thus far... Bring back the old style. This sytle is way to busy and crowded. Don't like the colors either.

2. Windows Security? I thought his was a GENERAL security forum. OK, put away your flame thowers as I am not trying to start the debate over which OS is better, BUT with windowsecurity.com as the main header on the main page it makes a newbie or a visitor think "O great another windows security site". Thats not bad, but its not good. This site has WAY more to offer then just windows security which is loosly implied by the header. We all know that there are tons of great open source security tools and open source like windows has its share of secuirty issues.

Just my 2 cents worth. Confused

Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject:
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I agree with phunkodelic's second point, I tend to stay away from the OS specific forums & that may likely keep newcomers away also.[/quote]

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject:
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We are not, have not been, nor intend to be in the future centered on Windows only OS discussion. We remain an open OS discussion forum as before.

Now the other side of it. We need to integrate with WindowSecurity.com. We have and are working toward that goal.

Not sure how to solve the problem of appearing to only be Windows OS Discussion forum. We may need to place a blurb in our SFDC banner. Not much, but I can't think of any other acceptable remedies to this issue.

Tom

Author: SidLocation: Kansas PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject:
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Tom_Bair wrote:

Now the other side of it. We need to integrate with WindowSecurity.com.


Is there any specific reason why?

Author: jeffball55Location: US PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:13 am    Post subject:
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To counteract the windows OS thing, you could register a couple of non-window website names, such as LinuxSecurity, UnixSecurity, etc. Then just redirect them here and add a logo here or there that says the other website names. Just a thought on how to continue to be OS independent.

Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:59 am    Post subject:
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Tom_Bair wrote:
We are not, have not been, nor intend to be in the future centered on Windows only OS discussion. We remain an open OS discussion forum as before.


Now take that and paste it right underneath the windowsecurity.com logo Wink

Author: Fletcher Christian PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject:
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OK... Looks like I'll be the hundredth person to say this, but I liked the old site better.

1) I do not like the WindowSecurity being stuck on here. If this becomes focused on WindowsSecurity, I'm outta here. What gives?
2) I don't like not having the forums full screen. The side bar, as so many said, takes up too much room.

Author: dataLocation: India PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject:
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Sid wrote:
Tom_Bair wrote:

Now the other side of it. We need to integrate with WindowSecurity.com.


Is there any specific reason why?


Though WIndows Security pays for SFDC, they donot get any web hits on windows security. With the integration, I believe, they are hoping to get SFDC users to visit windows security. The integration is logical but there is too much clutter as a result unless they compromise on something less than full fledged integration.

Author: Tom BairLocation: Portland, Oregon USA PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject:
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Please note that we are still working on the appearance of the site, taking your comments into consideration. It is somewhat a slow process, but we wish to make sure we do not create any problems along the way.

The banners are permanent. This site needs to generate revenue. Simple fact of life, sorry.

The sidebar is also permanent and will not go away. SFDC is merged into WindowSecurity.com now. We are the Discussion Forum supporting all the TechGenix sites. Again please note that the discussion is not limited to Microsoft Windows related security issues.

We will modify the LHS bar so that the Articles & Tutorials menu will be
by default collapsed when coming onto the site. However, at the moment it remembers what the last position was when you have left the
site. If it is closed then it will remain closed.


We will be migrating to ASP.NET forum software in the future. No firm date yet at this time.

We are working on the horizontal scroll issue. It seems to be localized to a few particular forums and is not site-wide. Please continue to comment on this.

We are working on bringing back the announcements page but this will take time as we need to redesign it so it's not as messy. A few years of slaping code around in it have taken it's toll Smile

We will try to fix the site as much as possible but the LHS bar and banners
remain.

Tom

Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject:
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Thanks Tom, that is some good news at least.

Author: mxb PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject:
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Tom_Bair wrote:
SFDC is merged into WindowSecurity.com now. We are the Discussion Forum supporting all the TechGenix sites. Again please note that the discussion is not limited to Microsoft Windows related security issues.


We know that it's not limited, but that isn't the first impression given by the site. As you say that SFDC is the discussion forum for all the TechGenix sites, wouldn't it be better to have a TechGenix logo rather than a WindowSecurity one? We gain our initial vendor neutralilty back and it also shows we are for all the different sites.

Tom_Bair wrote:
We are working on the horizontal scroll issue. It seems to be localized to a few particular forums and is not site-wide. Please continue to comment on this.


I think the problem is partly due to fonts. I have a reasonably sized minimum font set in Firefox, and the lhs menu is nearly double the width of the grey stripes in places. This pushes the forum over and so I have to scroll.

Thanks for the update Tom and I hope you get it sorted soon.

Cheers,
Martin

Author: phunkodelicLocation: On your hard drive. PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject:
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As you say that SFDC is the discussion forum for all the TechGenix sites, wouldn't it be better to have a TechGenix logo rather than a WindowSecurity one?


Cha-ching.... I think we have an answer. Maybe make a header with www.security-formums.com as the BIG text item (main focus) and then put something like "also includes www.windowsecurity.com, www.yaddayadda yadda.com, etc". Just an idea here.

I understand the need to make money because ya gotta pay the bills but I figure there has to be a happy medium. I would hate to see this site go the way of www.cramsession.com did. At one time the had some extreamly talented folks that used to hang out in the fourm, and not just to study for certification exams. Alot of admin types like myself who hung out to get help with every day issues and to help others with their issues. One day there was a managment change and they decided to try and make a lot fo money out of the site. The vast majority of the talent left and got pissed off and the quality of the forums when into the toliet. If you visit their forums now they are DEAD. Nowbody posts there anymore. Not saying that is going to happen here, but just trying to make a point.

Good luck.

Author: Fletcher Christian PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject:
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mxb wrote:
Tom_Bair wrote:
SFDC is merged into WindowSecurity.com now. We are the Discussion Forum supporting all the TechGenix sites. Again please note that the discussion is not limited to Microsoft Windows related security issues.


We know that it's not limited, but that isn't the first impression given by the site. As you say that SFDC is the discussion forum for all the TechGenix sites, wouldn't it be better to have a TechGenix logo rather than a WindowSecurity one? We gain our initial vendor neutralilty back and it also shows we are for all the different sites.




I can say for one, that when I initially found this site, if it would have had a big "Windowsecurity.com" link on the top of the page (in anything but an advert banner) I would have browsed right on by and never looked back. I guess I am going to have to start hunting for an alternative. Take my 2 cents for what they are worth.

Author: StormhawkLocation: Warwickshire, England, UK PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject:
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It's pretty clear that the response to these changes has been overwhelmingly negative from both staff and regular members. If I were in a position to execute some kind of power over these changes I'd listen to this and change it back, looking for some other, less intrusive, way, to integrate the two sites. (Just my opinion!).

Of course, if the owners of this place want to run it into the ground, that's their prerogative, but I sure as hell hope they don't expect us to stick around and watch the apocalypse...

The way things are going, I'm outta here before much longer. There needs to be a serious change in the way the powers that be respond to the voice of the membership. After all, its the 20,000 or so members here that make this place what it is, irrespective of who owns it, or what branding it has. If the quality of the membership declines, there's no amount of branding, integration, or money, can save it.

Admins, TechGenix staff, ANYONE capable of making this decision...
Listen to the members, it's pretty clear that no one is celebrating this change, at least, no one outside of TechGenix, anyway. My advice - don't let this place slide. It happens to a lot of forums, they outgrow the philosophies on which they were built, and become huge bureaucracies. It happened to AntiOnline, and it will happen here, unless you guys stop and listen to what the people who actually use, and run - yes, that is, those of us who dedicate our free time to moderating and keeping this place tidy, not those who pay the bills, have to say. Without the staff and members, this place would be nothing.


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Author: ryansuttonLocation: San Francisco, California PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject:
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I'd be willing to donate to keep this site operable without all the nonesense that is going on now, has management considered this as an option?

Author: alt.don PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject:
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Gentlemen,

This thread is becoming counter-productive at the moment I am afraid. All comments put here so far will be taken into cosideration, that much I promise. For the time being I will lock this thread to give us all a time to think things over. That does not mean by inference that anything will change, but rather that we will look at all factors. I do thank all of you for your contribution to this forum, and also for your mature commentary.

Thank you,

Don



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