Why can't we implement this simple SPAM solution?

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Author: EricTheBald PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:16 pm    Post subject: Why can't we implement this simple SPAM solution?
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Since the majority of Spam comes from porn sites, if all porn sites were required to use the .xxx suffix (www.NekidNaughtyTeens.xxx) then not only could all of us block the majority of Spam but it would be VERY easy to block children's access to porn while still allowing them to access educational information on human reproduction. You know, for instance.


So, knowing that I CANNOT possibly be the first person that ever occured to I can only assume there is some insurmountable problem with doing just that.

Can anyone tell me what that problem is?

Author: big tomLocation: UK PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:28 pm    Post subject:
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because they don't neccisarily use their own domains (or at least the ones they use for the porn) to send out their spam.
I regualrly get e-mails from at-yahoo.com addresses advertising porn.

It would be a good idea to stop children and the like from accessing inapropriate content. Idea although it would be an extremely hard and expensive proccess to initiate and carry out. There would probably always be porn sites hosted in different countries who do not want to abide by the .xxx rule. just as there are websites with 'illegal' content today hosted in different countries that find the content acceptable and, therefore, host it with no questions asked.

Author: RayxenLocation: Australia PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject:
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On top of what dreamer said. When recieving spam, the headers are usually forged and will appear to come from a different domain other than the xxx domain. Also, obviously the sites aren't going to obide by this.

Author: Mongrel PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:27 pm    Post subject:
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We are actually battling the issue right now at work. Spam filters tend to give many false positives - like IDS systems. Whitelists tend to build very large very quick thus bogging down the engine. Many local addies need to have all mail allowed - the very ones wh receive the most spam and whose mailboxes fill up fastest - (How many executives spend time cleaning out their mailbox???)

Anyway last night I ran across this and we are actually toying with the idea - "Fight Spam with Spam" - using a version of AOHell to reply in kind to the originators -

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,3959,920545,00.asp

Author: delete852Location: Washington DC PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:31 pm    Post subject:
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I don't mind porn spam.... Very Happy

Author: ShaolinTigerLocation: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:33 pm    Post subject:
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The best things to use are things like Vipuls razor and bayesian filtering that learns over time.

They can come to near 99% positive with less than 0.001% false positives.

http://paulgraham.com/better.html

Obviously at first their rates are near 0 identification but that's before you build the patterns.

I love the idea of spamming spammers though, filling up their databases with millions of crap orders Smile

Lets do it Very Happy

Author: ip9 PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:52 pm    Post subject:
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I may have mentioned this elsewhere before, but 2 Very interesting projects in this field that you chaps might want to have a look at are popfile and TarProxy.

Popfile is nice, and very accurate once trained (a lot of this comes from that fact that most users receive mail from the same people / companies alot - generally the path taken is the same, so these mails have very similar headers). TarProxy is a little more interesting as it tries to actually "hurt" the evil spammers.



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