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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:19 pm    Post subject: syn flooding prevention Reply with quote

Hi maestro's,
I'm back and again with some questions and i've to say that you guys have been great at answering them. So here is my new one and please don't mind if this sounds utterly lame or cliche:
Is there a method to prevent denial of service attacks using SYN flooding without causing a denial of service ie. without inadvertently denying connection to valid packets? (Detection may be simpler i believe in that it would require noting the time interval between sucessive SYN packets...etc) Ok (as regards prevention), you could block certain IP addresses but what is the IP's are spoofed themselves? Please advise.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes its at least under linux called syn cookies most kernels come with this. The way it works is that when internal connection table is filled then it sends out packets witch have client ip and port and server ip and port encoded into
SYN/ACK sequence number, therfore increesing que size to amount of free ram.

Syn flods are more or less nonefective thees days, since i belive pretty much all systems have similar protection (Even MS)

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many Thanks...had never heard of this SYN Cookies...is there a nice white paper for this?

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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great time to do some research on your own. www.google.com + syn cookies would be a great place to start. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigsegv wrote:
Many Thanks...had never heard of this SYN Cookies...is there a nice white paper for this? <snip!>


The Unix/Linux Security course I took some time ago touched on syn cookies and I did some follow-up research on the subject. The URIs below will take you to some articles on syn cookies and general stack fiddling.

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D. J. Bernstein on SYN Cookies
http://cr.yp.to/syncookies.html

DoS Attack on Unix. Apache, Ping, Flood, FTP Attacks Definition and Prevention
http://www.unixcities.com/dos-attack/

SYN Cookies
http://www.liquifried.com/docs/security/scookies.html

UNIX IP Stack Tuning Guide v2.7
http://www.cymru.com/Documents/ip-stack-tuning.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MUCH APPRECIATED. Many thanks to everyone who replied.
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